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 November A. 1984  Tuesday  Transcript #2382
 HEADLINE:  Economy in '85: What's Ahead?;
 Libel: Taking on the Press;
 Hearts and Minds: Type A Syndrome;
 Psychic Warfare
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 for a record $7.25 billion, and the United States claimed, and Nicaragua
 confirmed, the Sandinistas have received helicopters and other arms from the
 Soviet Union, but no jet fighters.   Robin?
 MacNEIL: Here's our NewsHour rundown tonight.   First, the news of the day,
 then our newsmaker interview with the economist ...
 MacNEIL: Nicaragua's Foreign Minister Miguel D'Escoto confirmed today that
 the recent mystery shipment from the Soviet Union consisted of sophisticated
 helicopter gunships.   And he told an ABC News interviewer that U.S. charges that
 Nicaragua was building its forces to attack its ...
 ... for a suspension of U.S. missile shipments to Western Europe as a way of
 reopening stalled nuclear arms talks with the Soviets.   Trudeau was speaking
 after receiving the Albert Einstein Peace Prize for his diplomatic efforts last
 year to bring the U.S. and the Soviet Union into a dialogue.
 PIERRE ELLIOTT TRUDEAU,  former Prime Minister of Canada:  It is the political
 leaders in office who ...
 ... Gault has our next focus section.   Charlayne?
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 CHARLAYNE HUNTER-GAULT: Robin,  the debate is over something called
 pdarapsychology or the science of psychic phenomena.   It is an open secret that
 both the United States and the Soviet Union have sponsored research into things
 like ESP, extrasensory perception, to see if there is any military use for such
 phenomena.   For example,
 ... move objects to sabotage the enemy -- for example, jamming their
 computers from a safe distance away.   And there's also some research into what's
 known as remote viewing, trying to mentally picture something that's far away,
 ;like detecting where the enemy's missiles are hidden.   At a conference of
 scientists this ...
 a little uneven.   The only true believer to emerge was Martin Ebon, a
 parapsychologist and the author of a book on the Soviet research into the field.
 He joins us tonight from public station KQED in San Francisco.  Mr. Ebon, what
 dbes it mean to be ...
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 ... two of them are exaggerations.   The idea of doing things-drastically by
 telekinesis is still, I think,  in the realm of science fiction.   The remote
 viewing hypothesis, I think that is much more fundamentally correct.           And what
 was the first one on your list?  I don't recall.  ...
 HUNTER-GAULT: Looking to telepathy to find submerged submarines and so on.
 Mr.  EBON:  That,  of course,  is something that has interested the Soviet Union
 particularly, and of course it interests us, too, because they cannot reach
 submerged submarines by wireless, by radio.   But, again, the experiments, such
 as they have been,     I think on both sides of the Atlantic, certainly in the
 Soviet Union, as far as know, and I concentrate on the Soviet union, have not
 been -- had any breakthroughs.  Well have to let these exploratory things go
 on, and then I think we can see whether there is something drastic that has ...
 ... think -- well, psychic arms race is again one of these exaggerated terms.
 Parallel psychical research is being done in the Soviet Union under other terms.
 They,  for instance, refer to telepathy as biocommunications.  They call
 psychokinesis psychotronics.  And this has been going for 20 years or ...
 HUNTER-GAULT:  I understand.   You just said that you specifically concentrate
 on the Soviets.    What specifically have they done in this area that might have
 military applications?
 ... interested in animal experiments and in human experiments.   For instance,
 they have made experiments between Moscow and Leningrad and other Soviet cities
 using telepathists and trying very hard to do something which I think is very
 imaginative, but also rather risky, namely, to enhance the telepathic ...
 ... KURTZ: No, we have an open mind.   We believe in continuing inquiry into
 claims.   People are interested in ESP, telepathy, remote viewing, psychokinesis,
 and were willing to examine that.  We think it should be examined.   However, on
 the basis of our inquiry thus far, we think that has not been proven.   There is
 no ...
 ... I think, Charlayne, its very important that there be careful scientific
 research.  We mustn't dismiss any claim to knowledge.  And the point about
 parapsychology, after 100 years its so full of holes, chicanery and fraud too,
 that I would urge great caution.
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