GRILL FLAME
CIA-STARGATE
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This document is a routing and transmittal slip from the CIA's Stargate program. It mentions a meeting requested by Congressman Rose to discuss the issue of "human use" in executing the Army contract with SRI. It states that OACSI (Office of the Assistant Chief of Staff for Intelligence) does not want to be represented at the meeting as the Army General Counsel's Office is already knowledgeable about the Army's position. The document also mentions a previous meeting where the Army GRILL FLAME effort was discussed and BG Rapmund stated that it did not constitute human experimentation. It concludes by stating that the Army intends to execute its FY 81 contract with SRI as a non-human use contract and will continue to debate FY 82 activities regarding human use.
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ROUTING AND TRANSMITTAL SUP, 15 Jul 81
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(Name. office symbol, room number,
building, Agency/Post)
"BG'Wilmot
MG Thompson
COI, 'Lamb
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Requested
Coordination
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1. On 150915 Jul Ri I received a call from LTC Mike
Chase, OSALL. He received a call from Mr. Giza, AA to
Congressman Rose (D, NC). Mr. Rose wants to meet on
161400 Jul in his office with a representative from the
Army General Counsel's Office and the DoD General Counsel's
Office. The subject of the meeting is to discuss the im-
passe caused by the 'human use' issue in executing the
Army contract with SRI-I.
2. LTC Chase asked me if OACSI wanted to be represented
at the meeting. I said no. Congressman Rose wants to
discuss a legal issue and the AGC A/O, i'Ir. Hatch, is
fully knowledgeable of the Army position. It has
vals, concurrences, disposals,
DO NOT use this form as e~ RECORD similar pr actions
FROM: (Name, org. symbol, Agency/Post)
DENNi3 M. U'tC)`.r.r
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been and will_coritinue to be ZA s position that he will
sup port' whatever the lawyers decide - that GRILL FLATS
does or does not involve human use as defined in DoD
Reg.52)4O.lR.
3, For Your Info. A meeting was held 141100 -Jul 81
to discuss the human use issue within DA. Attending the
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meeting were: Mr. Spurlock, Army GC; Mr. Hatch, GRILL
FLATS A/C in the Office of the Army GC; BG Rapmund, Chief
of the 1Tuman Subjects Review Board; LTC;. Kieffer, INSCOM
JAG; LT C Watt;LTC Jachir~(LTC Watt's replacement); 14A J
O'Keefe, DAMI-ISH. BG Rapmund stated that, among other
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su'b`~ects,,~"he `did not`be].ieve that the Army GRILL FLAME
effort_c_onstituted human experimentation. He recommended
Army execute its FY 81 contract with SRI as a non=human
use contract. Mr. Spurlock seemed to accept this with
the caveat that he wished to address the Army FY82
GRILL FLARE Program as s human use issiie. In other words,
we""concur with the DoD aosition on human use" for TY Ri
and continue to debate over FY 82 activities. .Mr. Hatch
told me this morning that he is preparing a memo to this
effect for the SA and DoD GC.
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