INSCOM GRILL FLAME BRIEFING FOR CONGRESSMAN ROSE, 16 APRIL 1981 (U)

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This document is a memorandum for the record of a briefing given to Congressman Charlie Rose on April 6, 1981, regarding the INSCOM GRILL FLAME Program. The purpose of the briefing was to update the congressman on the program's status and ensure proper funding. The briefing was attended by various personnel, including MG Thompson, Dick Giza, Annette Smiley, LTC Mike Chase, LTC Watt, MAJ O'Keefe, and an unidentified recorder. Congressman Rose expressed his concern for the orderly continuation of research in this field and emphasized the importance of funding. He also mentioned his recent visit to SRI-I and the impression that the Army may want to break off future contacts with them. However, both MG Thompson and the briefer informed the congressman that the Army was still interested in working with SRI-I. Congressman Rose acknowledged the value of remote viewing and stated his willingness to assist. He also expressed concern about the program being operational prematurely and emphasized the caution required in using the information as a single source. The briefing concluded with Congressman Rose expressing his gratitude and encouragement for the outstanding work being done in the program.

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 MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD
 SUBJECT: INSCOM GRILL FLAME Briefing for Congressman Rose, L 6 April 1981 (U)
 1.  (U)  PURPOSE:     At 1030 hrs, 16 Apr 81, 1 briefed Congressman Charlie Rose
 (Chairman, Evaluation Subcommittee of The House Permanent Committee on
 Intelligence) on the status of the INSCOM GRILL FLAME Program.  I had last briefed
 Congressman Rose on 16 Jan 80.
 2.  (U)  The following personnel attended the briefing:
 Congressman Rose
 MG Thompson, ACSI
 Dick Giza, Office of Congressman Rose
 Annette Smiley, Staffer from House Intel Committee
 LTC Mike Chase, Office of Congressional Liaison
 LTC Watt, INSCOM
 MAJ O'Keefe, OACSI
 Recorder (Identity unknown)
 3.  (U) Congressman Rose opened the meeting with the comments that he was
 concerned that research into this field had to continue in an orderly manner and
 that the program had to be funded properly.
 4.  (U)  Inclosure 1 shows the outline of my presentation.
 5.  (S/NOFORN)  Congressman Rose made the following observations/comments during
 the briefing:
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 a.  (S/NOFORN)  He had recently been to SRI-I and been briefed by Dr.
 SG1J      and           (DIA .rep at SRI-I).  From that briefing, he (Rose) had.come
 away wi   the impression that perhaps the Army would like to break off future
 contacts with SRI-I.  COMMENT:  Both MG Thompson and I informed the Congressman
 that Army was still very much interested in working with SRI-I, especially
 becoming involved with their new training concept.  However, we also explained
 that there were several other institutions doing.-valuable research in the field
 of parapsychology and that we wanted to make contact with them.  Congressman Rose
 stated that was a very reasonable approach.
 b.  (S/NOFORN)  Congressman Rose stated, again, that Remote Viewing potentially
 was a most valuable asset for the intelligence community and that work in that
 area had to continue.
 c.  (U)  He.was willing to help in any way that he could, but mentioned the
 commitment one makes when one "signs his name on the line."
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 d.  (S/NOFORN)  He expressed concern with us.being operational on what
 might be a premature-basis. COMMENT:  I explained that-all tasking agencies
 are cautioned about using our information as "single source" and that all
 outgoing reports.have a statement. repeating the warning.  Also, that from a
 psychological standpoint, it appears that better results can be obtained if
 the source knows that he is being asked to help on real world problems
 MG Thompson stated that Ingo Swann had expressed similar thoughts to him.
 6.  (S/NOFORN)  I summarized my presentation with the statement that `many civilian
 organizations appear.to be doing very credible work in this area, SRI included;
 however, they all have their own special interest(s). that they are trying to
 develop. This has led to a very disjointed.effort and has-slowed development
 in the field. I recommended that if DoD was going to seriously study the value
 of parapsychology then someone must make the decision.to undertake and manage
 a serious effort designed to settle once and for all any questions concerning
 this field.
 7.  (U)  Congressman-Rose expressed his thanks for a very informative briefing
 and told us to keep up the outstanding work.
 8.  (U)  The meeting adjourned at 1145 hours.
 1 Incl                                    MURRAY B.
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 Project Manager
 CHAD B. WHITE, COL, GS
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