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 SESSION REPORT
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 REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION CD-25
 1.  (S)  This report documents a remote viewing conducted  in compliance
 with a request from SOD, J3, OJCS, Pentagon, Washington, D.C.  The purpose.
 of the session was to provide information relevant to the hostage situation
 in Iran.
 2.  (S)  The remote viewer's impressions of the target are provided as-raw
 intelligence data, and, as such, have not been subjected to any intermediate
 analysis, evaluation or collation.  Interpretation and use of the information
 provided is the responsibility of the requestor.
 3.  (S)  The protocol used for this session is detailed in the document,
 Grill Flame Protocol, AMSAA Applied Remote Viewing..Protocol (S), undated.
 4.  (S)  Following is a transcript of the viewer's impressions during the
 remote viewing session.  At TAB A are drawings made by the remote viewer
 reference his impressions of the target site. At TAB B is target cuing
 information provided the remote viewer.
 5.. (S)  The remote viewer was asked to locate KEVIN HERMENING and to
 describe his surroundings.  The viewer described a gym-like area, but was
 unable to present a view of the entire building.  However, he was able to
 describe surrounding features which might be helpful in pinpointing the
 location of HERMENING.  The viewer stated that HERMENING and 4. other hostage
 were doing exercises.  The viewer felt very strongly that a GREGORY PERSINGE
 was one of the other hostages at this location.  Three other hostages are
 identified but the viewer did not feel very confident concerning their
 identification
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 #6.5:       This will be a remote viewing session for 28 May 1980;
 on-target time is 0900 hours.
 Okay #8.5 it's time to start today's session. Relax,
 relax.  For the past few minutes now you've been focusing
 your attention on the photographs that I showed you'.
 I want you to relax and concentrate.  Describe the. area
 where Kevin Hermening, Kevin Hermening is located.
 Relax and concentrate on the area where Kevin Hermening
 ......describe it to me.
 +5.5   #8.5:       ...I got him.  I don't know.....was.......seen all these
 buildings...and no Kevin.  ...............I got him.
 I got Kevin and 4. other people in a big room.  I think
 it's  ...I got gymnasium.  High windows.  Like clear story.
 Very, very high windows.  It's, it's, it's not like a
 basketball court.  It's like a weight lifting gym.  Kevin
 ...is in front of the people facing the same direction
 ...they seem to be following his lead in calisthenics.
 PAUSE
 #6.5:       Okay.. You're doing very well.  You're doing very well.
 I want you to focus your attention, focus your attention
 on those other individuals that are with Kevin and describe
 them to me.
 +09    #8.5:       I think I see.....early twenties .... on the left...... early
 twenties..... brown hair...weighs about 100.....160.....
 roundish face.  Good shape.  Slim, slim guy behind him.
 Dark. hair.. Wiry, tough, not, not, not muscular..  A long
 face.....and another guy there ..... I don't know.....20 to
 23...lighter hair, well, well-groomed, muscular.    Kind of
 likes himself, I think.  Very vain.  Older guy on the right.
 I don't know why, but I just....oh, hell.  It seems I
 ....warrant officer comes to mind.  Early 30s I think or
 stocky....5.....5-9, brown, brown hair.  Normally has,
 normally has a heavy beard.  Last'guy has some problem
 with his leg or foot.  I had the feeling it was his right.
 #6.5:      Okay.  You've done very well.  You've done very well #8.5.
 Now before you move on I want you to go by these individuals
 again, and study them very closely.  Study . their. face very
 closely so that later on when we look at some pictures we
 will be able to find them.  You don'.t have to tell me
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 .anything.  Just look at them.  Study them very closely
 and when you think that you could identify them later
 let me know and we'll move on.  Okay.
 #8.5:       I think I: got the older guy.
 #6.5:       Okay.  Just take your time and focus on them.
 #8.5:       Younger guy.  I don't know if I saw all of them.
 One guy appears very athletic.  Skinny guy looks very
 unique...a long face.  Little guy on the left is kind of
 non-descript.  They keep touching their toes.
 #6.5:       Okay.  You study their face.  You study their faces so
 you can identify them later.
 +15    #8.5:       Something very strong about, about breads.  I don't
 understand it.  Slice ..... big loaf of bread with the
 end cut off keeps appearing out of nowhere.  I don't know
 why.
 #6.5:       Okay.  Don't worry about it.
 #8.5:       It's like an intrusion.  Reminds.menof an executive
 gymnasium... exercise room......... I sense fruit trees
 nearby.  Appears, appears to be no windows in the walls
 the room, but a raised portion over the center of the
 room has windows in it that lights up the room.  Wait a
 minute.
 +18:45             1 sense some other people.  Not in this room,, but not
 too far away.  Kind of foul mood, bored, lounging on
 cots.  Small bed.  I see, I see 5 or 6 of them. I don't
 see them.  I'm just aware.  They were there behind......
 down the hall in some other room....spaces somewhere.
 #6.5:      Okay.  Now. #8.5 I want you to relax.  Clear your mind of
 what we. have been doing here.  Relax now.  I want you to
 change your perspective  I want you to go outside of this
 building.  Go up in the air 1500 feet and look down on
 this. building where Kevin and the others are located  on
 1500 feet and look down on this building where Kevin and
 the others are located and describe the area to me with
 .the thought of how we can locate this place.  Relax and
 concentrate on that. How can we locate this place where
 Kevin and the others.are located.
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 +23:30 #8.5:       I. was distracted.  I saw people.  Looked like.....on the
 ground.....looked like maybe ...... I saw things that.....
 symbolic of ...nautical.  The room Kevin was in appears
 to be a wing of building.  I can't put it together, but
 I see a roof  .-reminds me of _a-g,; nt umbrella... round
 and ~r n  pie shape segments ..... verys  1    slope:
 fire's trees here.:I-n the front,. in front of o      the
 buildings is a pattern, I can best describe as shay
 something like a maple leaf.  Must be 40, 50 feet ac 'ss.
 I can't tell whether it's a real low wall shaped like  he
 contour of maple leaf .... it's a real. low trimmed hed  ....
 on't feel the building that Kevin is in has rec   izable
 lea     nearby... adjacent building... image of   'ding is
 flickerin    b   usl    A  ears to b           ding., with
 maple leaf...looks like some