MINUTES OF THE MEETING, DOD GRILL FLAME COMMITTEE

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This document is the minutes from a meeting of the DoD GRILL FLAME Committee, which took place on July 12, 1979. The purpose of the committee is to serve as a point of contact between various agencies involved in exploring paranormal phenomenon and to coordinate their activities. During the meeting, the committee discussed the possibility of producing a product and preparing an ICR (Interim Coordination Report). They also talked about the relationship between the Steering Committee and the Working Group, the use of computer terminals for data exchange, and compiling a registry of scientists doing parapsychology research. Other topics included reviewing remote viewing (RV) data, briefings given by Army and Intelligence Community (IC) staff, informing superiors about the committee's activities, funding for projects within the DoD, sending contract researchers to report on international meetings, the visit of a Japanese student who affects photographic film, and the use of technically trained vs. non-technically trained viewers. Dr. Vorona, who was absent at the beginning of the meeting, arrived later and discussed his briefing with Congressmen Rose and Young. The meeting concluded with the agreement to produce more extensive minutes with a synopsis of talks and presentations.

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 DoD GRILL FLAME Committee
 1.  (U) Place:  DIA/DT Conference Room, Pomponio Plaza.
 2.  (U) Time and Date: 0930 hours, 12 July 1979.
 3.  (U) Attendees:  See enclosure.
 4.  (S/ORCON) The meeting began with an explanation of Dr. Vorona's      S G1,k
 absence from the gathering.  Dr. Vorona was briefin  Congressman Rose
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 to his position at the MIIA and           has resume   is position at
 the DIA and will attend the meetings on a regular basis.
 5.  (S/ORCON) Several members of the committee raised the question of
 the purpose of the committee and the possibility of the committee producing
 a product.  While no general concensus was reached, the feeling of many
 members was that the committee serves as a point of contact between
 various agencies involved in exploring paranormal phenomenon and functions
 to coordinate these activities.
 6.  (S/ORCON) The possibility of the group preparing an ICR was raised.
 Dale Graff volunteered that he had already produced an ICR and would send
 copies to the members.
 7.  (S/ORCON) Several members of the group then raised the question of the
 relationship of the Steering Committee to the Working Group and the question
 of how the Steering Committee should be kept informed about the activities
 and progress of the group.  It was related that each member bears the
 responsibility of keeping his respective member of the Steering Committee
 informed of the Working Group's activities.
 8.  (C/ORCON) It was suggested that the group might compile a registry of
 scientists doing parapsychology research.
 9.  (C/ORCON) The use of computer terminals to exchange data was raised.
 DIAOLS and COINS were mentioned.
 10. (C/ORCON) Another suggestion of a group project was to compile a
 complete registry of what each agency has done or is doing in the area.
 11. (U) Again, the question of the objectives of the group was raised.
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 13. (C/ORCON) John Kramar.then discussed methods for reviewing RV data.    .
 14. (S/ORCON) Bill Stoner then discussed several briefings. gsArmy .  Theiefincluded
 the Army briefing the SecDef, the Under Secretary
 Congressman Rose and Maj Stoner briefing the IC Staff.
 15. (S/ORCON) Dr. Vorona arrived to attend the afternoon portion of the
 meeting.  He reiterated that each member has the responsibility of
 informing his superior on the Steering Committee of the Working Group's
 activities.  He agreed that more extensive minutes with a synopsis of
 the talks and presentations was a working goal and should be accomplished
 whenever possible.
 16. (S/ORCON) Dr. Vorona then discussed his briefing Congressmen Rose and
 Young.  They were primarily interested in the funding of such projects
 within the DoD.
 17. (C/ORCON) A discussion was then held on sending contract researchers
 to report on international meetings and the extent to which this may
 involve a conflict of interest.
 18. (C/ORCON) Dale Graff reported to the group that the Japanese student
 who effects photographic film is to visit.the US.
 19. (C/ORCON) The use of technically trained vs. non-technically trained
 viewers was discussed.
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 of some crypt analysts to break codes but not be able to explain exactly
 how they did it.
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 Charles E. Carter
 Billy Z. Jenkins
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