MONTHLY EXCHANGE OF IDEAS, TECHNICAL ADVANCES AND FUTURE PLANS: AMSAA AND INSCOM GRILL FLAME PERSONNEL

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Title: Monthly Meeting Summary - AMSAA and INSCOM GRILL FLAME Personnel

Date: August 1, 1979

Summary: The monthly meeting between AMSAA (Army Materiel Systems Analysis Activity) and INSCOM (U.S. Army Intelligence and Security Command) GRILL FLAME personnel took place to discuss the status of their programs. The meeting covered various topics, including training progress at SRI (Stanford Research Institute) and the use of coordinates for training. AMSAA provided an update on their program, stating that they were back on track and conducting remote viewing sessions on a weekly basis. The GRILL FLAME Evaluation Team expressed some concerns about SRI's procedures, particularly the limited target pool and judging procedures, and planned to visit INSCOM and AMSAA in September. 1LT Atwater also shared his experiences from a recent seminar in Philadelphia and encouraged AMSAA personnel to attend similar events. Coordination with the CDEC (Combat Developments Experimentation Command) at Fort Ord for possible involvement in AMSAA's ongoing program was discussed. AMSAA mentioned their plans to use video-tape to cover their sessions and achieve near real-time sharing of sessions when their DACOM capability became operational. They requested target packages from INSCOM and discussed the potential of providing limited feedback to remote viewers to improve resolution. No date was set for the next meeting, but Fort Meade was suggested as a possible location.

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 ORCON/NOFORN
 DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY
 US ARMY INTELLIGENCE AND SECURITY COMMAND
 FORT GEORGE G. MEADE, MARYLAND 20755
 1 August 1979
 SUBJECT:  Monthly Exchange of Ideas, Technical Advances and
 Future Plans: AMSAA and INSCOM GRILL FLAME Personnel  (U)
 1.   (U)   On 30 July 1979, the monthly meeting between AMSAA and
 INSCOM GRILL FLAME personnel took place at Aberdeen Proving
 Grounds, Maryland.   The following personnel attended the meeting:
 MAJ(P) Watt, Project Manager,  INSCOM
 1LT Atwater, Assistant Project Manager, INSCOM
 Lynne Taylor, Project Manager, AMSAA
 Three other members of AMSAA GRILL FLAME Staff
 2.   (S)   We spent the first two hours reviewing the status of our
 program, including how training was progressing at SRI.  We
 explained our concept of how to train using coordinates in lieu
 of "beacons" and that our process would involve three training
 phases.
 3.   (S)   A14SAA took the rest of the morning updating us on the
 status of their program.   All were encouraged that the AMSAA
 program seems to be back on track and they are now doing remote
 viewing sessions on a weekly basis.
 4.   (5)   AMSAA personnel briefed us concerning the meeting they
 had with the GRILL FLAME Evaluation Team (DOD)  on Friday,  27
 July 1979.   The Evaluation Team had just returned from visiting
 SRI and did have some faults to find with the procedures used by
 SRI--in particular, the team did not like the restricted target
 pool or the judging procedures currently utilized by SRI.   The
 team is scheduled to visit INSCOM and AMSAA sometime in Sep 79.
 5.   (U)   1LT Atwater briefed on his recent trip to Philadelphia
 and covered the highlights of the seminar.   We encouraged AMSAA
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 personnel to take advantage of similar seminars as they help to
 provide a broader base upon which to build our respective programs.
 6.   (U)   I mentioned that MAJ Stoner  (OACSI)         had suggested that
 INSCOM contact the CDEC folks at Fort Ord to coordinate possible
 involvement of INSCOM personnel in ongoing program being monitored
 by AMSAA.  I asked if AMSAA would object and was told "no" but
 that if John Kramar had objections they would have him contact me.
 7.   (U)   AMSAA felt that in the near future they would be:
 a.   Using video-tape to cover their sessions.
 b.   Have DACOM capability VIA local SSO and when operational
 we could share near real-time sessions.
 8.   (U)   AMSAA asked us to provide them with some target packages,
 complete with feedback.   I told them we would but could not promise
 a delivery date at this time.
 9.   (S)   I requested AMSAA do some work with providing remote
 viewers limited feedback on same target to see if resolution
 improves.   They did not seem too receptive to the idea although
 they did not reject it.
 10.   (U)  No date was set for the next meeting.   I suggested
 that the next meeting be held at Fort Meade.
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 V,) " J ~,
 MURRAY
 . WATT
 Major
 (P), MI
 INSCOM GRILL FLAME
 Project Manager
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