GRILL FLAME STATUS REPORT (U)

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 MEMORANDUM FOR:  BRIGADIER GENERAL SMITH
 SUBJECT:  GRILL FLAME Status Report (U)
 26 September 1978
 1.   (S)  On 20 September I.met with Colonel Capps, DAMI-ISH,
 to discuss the 902d's participation in the development of a
 training program in Para-Psychology Phenomena.  We had been
 advised the week before through General Rolya that the 902d was
 to cease any further planning for its concept of training with
 the Monroe Institute.  I wished to find out where we stood
 regarding the program.
 2.  (S)  Colonel Capps related the following:
 a. After talks among MG Thompson, Dr. LeBerge, Dr. Verona, et al,
 it was decided that this whole program needed to be coordinated
 with DOD.  Consequently, a working group is to be established with
 representatives from all concerned parties regarding the future
 DOD involvement in this phenomena.
 b.  INSCOM would be requested to provide a representative
 for the working group mentioned above to act as a coordinator for
 INSCOM involvement.
 c.  The 902d project, unclassified title GONDOLA WISH, was
 cancelled.  Two factors impinged on this decision:
 (1) The Monroe Institute is not cleared for classified
 training or information.
 (2) The type of training to be given by the Monroe Institute.
 It was felt that this training could be categorized as experimenting
 with the human mind.  If so, under recent legislation, it would have
 to be cleared through an office at HEW.  MG Thompson did not want to
 go that route-until the legal ramifications were thoroughly examined.
 d.  DARCOM has an ongoing contract in this general area with SRI,
 California which is not encumbered by possible legalities.  The
 probability existed of our satelliting training on their contract.
 Colonel Capps suggested that both ACSI and INSCOM provide funding to
 DARCOM for Military Intelligence training subject to the approval of
 General Guthrie.  He opined that $75,000.00 would be good and that
 ACSI could probably provide $25,000.00 if INSCOM could find $50,000.00.
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 3.   (C)  Immediately following my talk with Colonel Capps I
 briefed General Rolya on where we stood, specifically asking his
 OK for INSCOM to provide $50,000.00 in year-end funds as an
 add-on to the DARCOM contract with SRI for the purpose of training
 some MI personnel.  He approved expenditure of the funds.  Subsequently,
 I coordinated with Colonel Whitt and Mr. Staffone.
 4.   (C)  BG Teal secured General Guthrie's approval for using the
 DARCOM contract.  A total of $65,000.00 ($15,000.00 from ACSI)
 has been provided to DARCOM for-training.  We now await further
 information from ACSI as to when training will begin and how
 many people we are to provide (one or two was discussed as initial
 input).
 5.   (U)  For now, ACSI wants the name of INSCOM's representative
 to their working group.  The 902d is prepared to provide such an
 individual, but I recommend that the DCSCI interject themselves
 into this project and provide this contract.  .eel  at they
 should be dealing with the ACSI staffers and we should ta'cT our
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