NOTES ON CONVERSATION WITH (Sanitized) (DIA/OGF/PAG) 1 FEB 95

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 (DIA/OGF/PAG)  1 Feb 95:
 In general:
 I             uis program manager at DIA of Star ate.   He and
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 his sta   are currently housed at Ft. Meade
 He said DIA has been involved formally managing the Stargate
 program since 1990 and that it was inherited from the US Army
 [General Stubblebind?]; there it had been a primarily
 operations oriented program since the early 1980s.
 We discussed what CIA's initial approach to the program
 transfer would be [from my perspective], and the current
 state of the DIA program from his perspective.   I said that
 the first thing CIA is going to do is set up a Blue Ribbon
 Review panel.   I mentioned the National Research Council as a
 leading contender for this, based on the previous work they
 had done for the Army Research Institute. I said the second
 thing we would do, and in parallel, was to formally look at
 the issue of declassification.   I asked for cooperation in
 both of these efforts.   I made no discussion and no
 commitments in terms of dates, milestones, nor discussed any
 other aspect of pro ram transfer (i.e., billets, dollars,
 etc.), despite       intense curiosity and questions on these
 issues.   I asked for all the supporting documentation 0         SG1J
 II has said was available during a previous meeting. This
 included:  1]                  DIA program retrospective (just
 submitted in draft to CMS),  2]                  20 year         SG1J
 retrospective draft 3]  ED May's  (SAIC principal investigator)
 unclassified retrospective of R&D in parapsychology,  and 41
 45 documents relating to R&D which             claimed he had    SG1J
 declassified.   He said he would bring these to the meeting
 Monday, but later hesitated about the R&D material, and the
 20  r retrospective saying it might be difficult to find.
 described these documents during our conversation                SG1J
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 described some general highlights of the DIA program.
 TO conduct operations,
 It is worth noting that     believes that he has already
 responded to the CDA in preparing his LIMDIS report which he
 recently has submitted to the CMS and which he is discussing
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 with DIA's OCA liaison.  He said he didn't object, however,
 to the CIA Blue Ribbon panel, and that it was a good idea
 because this work is so important.   He also said he drafted a
 report going back to 1973 on the history of the program which
 he said was the 20-yr retrospective Congress asked for.
 He also pledged to be very cooperative in our Blue
 Ribbon Panel review.  He was not too keen on the issue of
 "declassification", but he has equities in mind of which I am
 unaware.  He said that "program declassification is not
 good," especially if it addresses who we have been doing this
 work for (the customers?).   I didn't push the discussion on
 declassification other than to name                 and to say         SG1I
 that I though        would be attending some o  the meetings.
 Highlights:
 ? We agreed that
 ORD on 6 Feb, 10:00.
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 would briefing his program at
 agreed to bring relevant documentation to the
 ? I told CIA's approach was Blue Ribbon Panel up
 front, with no other commitments
 ? ^ may resist declassification, but otherwise pledges
 cooperation
 ? The program is currently an operations program,
 collection and research have ceased.
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