MINUTES OF THE MEETING, DOD GRILL FLAME COMMITTEE

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 DEFENSE INTELLIGENCE AGENCY
 WASHINGTON, D.C.  20301
 S-1004/DT-1
 MINUTES OF THE MEETING, DOD GRILL FLAME COMMITTEE
 1.  (U) Place:  DIA/DT Conference Room, Pomponio Plaza.
 2.  (U) Time and Date:   0930 hours, 28 November 1978.
 3.  (U) Attendees:       See enclosure 1.
 4.  (S/ORCON) Following the introductions, Dr. Vorona provided opening:
 comments to the group.  He cautioned the Committee to maintain a low
 profile with minimal fanfare.  The sensitivity of the subject material
 requires that all participants be circumspect in any outside discussion
 of the program.
 5.  (U) Following these comments, the agenda was reviewed.  No additions
 or changes were recommended.
 6.  (S/ORCON) The group then discussed possible names for the organiza-
 tion.  It was decided that "GRILL FLAME COMMITTEE," following the title
 given to the US Army program, would be acceptable to all participants.
 7.  (S/ORCON) The group then agreed to establish limited access rosters.
 Each member organization is to develop its own roster and these will be made
 available to the other members of the Committee.  Permanent members must
 possess SI/TK clearances, although participants of some "ad hoc" groups
 and individuals involved in research programs will only be required to
 have SECRET clearances.
 8. (S/ORCON) The GRILL FLAME Oversight Committee has the following members:
 Dr. Jack Vorona, DIA
 MG E. R. Thompson, Army ACSI
 RADM S. Shapiro, Commander, NIC
 Mai Gen J. L. Brown, Air Force ACSI
 Dr. Lowell Dailey, USDR&E Representative
 Members are responsible for insuring that research and experiments fall
 within the legal guidelines established by the DoD and the Services.
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 9.    (S/ORCON) An "ad hoc" working group was established to develop Commit-
 tee goals and objectives.  Participants are as follows:
 Mr. Dale Graff, FTD
 Dr. Bill Mehuron, Navy
 Maj Bill Stoner, Army OACSI
 Maj Murray Watt, INSCOM
 The group will hold its first meeting in January, 1979.
 10. (C) Maj Stoner then addressed problems involved with the Privacy Act
 and the security of the GRILL FLAME program.  Army plans to develop a
 security agreement to preclude compromise of the program and associated
 activities.  In addition, the DIA Legal Counsel will be contacted for his
 comments.
 11. (S/ORCON) Dr.  "ehuron suggested that the Committee have as one of its
 goals the identification and extent of the Soviet parapsychology programs.
 He also urged that we identify current parapsychology intellinr,nce collec-
 tion requirements, develop additional requirements and task SEEK sources.
 It was agreed that this should be done.  Current collection requirements
 will be provided at the next meeting.
 12. (S/ORCON) A discussion followed on the possibility of inviting CIA to  S GU
 attend the meetings.  It was agreed that            would contact
 and suggest that a CIA representative
 attend subsequent meetings:
 13. (S/ORCON) The Committee concurred with the recommendation that each
 member organization maintain control over its own parapsychology research
 contracts.  However, all Committee members will have cognizance of the
 total DoD contractual efforts in this area.
 14. (S/ORCON) Dale Graff provided the Committee with a brief re'View of
 Gulyayev's visit to SRI this past November.  This was followed by an
 exchange of current intelligence.  Items are attached as enclosures 2
 through 8.
 15. (C) The problem of document downgrading was also brought to the floor.
 The Committee agreed that all documents originating as a result of the
 GRILL FLAME program would undergo downgrading review only after 20 years.
 16. (S/ORCON) Mr. Graff next suggested that a cover story be developed for
 the program; Dr. Vorona suggested that the National Academy of Sciences
 might back an open program to investigate paranormal phenomena.  The
 recommendation will be brought to Dr. Davis'.attention.
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 17. (S/ORCON) Dr. Vorona then urged the development of experimental
 protocol and methods for validating experiments. As a result, an "ad
 hoc" working group was established to accomplish this task.  Members are
 as follows:
 Mr. Dale Graff, FTD
 Mr. John Kramar, AMSAA
 Dr. Bill Mehuron, Navy
 Maj Murray Watt, INSCOM
 The working group will hold its first meeting in January, 1979.
 S GU      18. (S/ORCON)              next provided a review of the SRI remote viewing
 experiments carried out at D.[A this past summer.  The results appear to
 be inconclusive, but satisfactory data interpretation keys must still be
 developed.  A summary of the experiments is attached as enclosure 9.
 19. (U) The next meeting of the GRILL FLAME Committee will be 13 February
 1979.
 20. (U) The meeting adjourned at 1210 hours.
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 ATTENDEES
 28 November 1978
 GRILL FLAME COMMITTEE
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 .v v v     Col Albert DeProspero, USAMSAA
 Mr. Dale Graff, FTD
 Mr. John Kramar, USAMSAA
 Dr. William Mehuron, Navy
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 (AV) 225-5878
 MAJ William Stoner, Army OACSI                   k/v) eZO-OUf
 MAJ Murray latt, INSCOM                          (AV) 9
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